“Bush lied, people died”?: challenging the critics

November 3, 2006 at 11:04 pm (Blogs, International community, Iraq, Leftist idiocy, Military, News, The Internet, The Left, The Media, The Right, The United Nations, The United States, US Government, War, Websites)

A very common assertion has been, and unfortunately continues to be, that President Bush lied in order to “get” his war on Iraq. Herein I will discuss how these opponents have yet to prove or demonstrate their claims and how recent events even suggest that they are quite wrong.

Levelling the charge of lying is quite a serious one indeed. We even impeached a president recently because he lied. Unfortunately for President Bush’s opponents, there is no evidence, proof, or argumentation (regarding the latter, which is conclusive or accurate) that can in any way defend this charge uttered forth against President Bush.

To begin with, lying means to intentionally provide false information. Many permit their entire argument to hang from those last two words (to wit, “false information”), alleging that President Bush supplied false information to the People of The United States and to the world regarding Saddam Hussein’s regime’s nuclear ambitions and/or capability. To be honest, opponents to President Bush have yet to demonstrate convincing proof or arguments that:
a. Saddam Hussein’s regime was not planning on obtaining military nuclear technology, and
b. assuming point (a) is false (that is, that the truth was that Saddam Hussein’s regime was in fact trying to obtain military nuclear technology), that Saddam Hussein’s regime had not made progress in their attempts.

As such, the general thrust of the information provided by the governments of The United States (under President Bush) and The United Kingdom (under Prime Minister Blair) was, indeed, correct, even though specific details may or may not have been as clear or unclear as initially believed.

The second point has to do with intention. Assuming – and this is major step, as we have little grounds to make this assumption – that Saddam Hussein’s regime was not attempting to obtain military nuclear technology and/or that the regime was not successful in attempts (thereby the threat of Saddam Hussein’s regime as armed with nuclear weaponry would not be correct), one would still have to prove that President Bush knew this and intentionally lied to the People of The United States and to the world. (Of course, “intentionally lied” is redundant, but I must draw attention to the “intentional” part.) No proof, arguments, evidence, or other supporting material or comments have been provided to back up this claim. None whatsoever. Those who do make these claims cast unjustifiable and groundless aspersions without evidence, foundation, or proof. Indeed, making these claims looks quite ridiculous indeed, as if they are psychic or omniscient or prophets or some other supernaturally-endowed beings able to read minds and hearts.

Now, let us back up for a second and address once more the claim made about the falsity of the information provided by President Bush of The United States and Prime Minister Blair of The United Kingdom. (I would like to point out that there were a number of reasons besides weapons of mass destruction to justify liberating Iraq, and indeed that are in the end more important and vital than the issue of weapons of mass destruction, but I might address them at a later date: they are irrelevant here and now.) It seems that of all entities, The United Nations believed Iraq was about a year away from developing a nuclear weapon before the liberation of Iraq. Which, in case it escapes anyone’s attention, The United Nations opposed. All of this thanks to most unlikely of sources, The New York Times.

In a burst of activity on the dexteroblogosphere, it has been revealed that Saddan Hussein may, in fact, have been close to developing military nuclear technology, a facet of Saddam Hussein’s regime that has been denied and denigrated by much of the anti-war crowd. For your edification and information, I present the following links to posts on blogs. There are many links to many posts because various bloggers have focused on various aspects of this story.

“Shocker: New York Times Confirms Iraqi Nuclear Weapons Program” by Jim Geraghty on TKS on National Review Online.

“So I Guess The FMSO Documents Are Legit” by Captain Ed Morrissey of Captain’s Quarters.

“November surprise! NYT plans page-one Iraq WMD splash for tomorrow; Flashback: Operation Merlin”; and
“Radiaoctive: More on the NYT Iraqi nuke article” by AllahPundit of Hot Air.

” …ABOUT THOSE WMD” by Christopher Taylor of Word Around the Net.

“Saddam’s Nuclear Plans” by Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs.

“NYTimes: Bush told truth! Saddam a true threat! Yellowcake!”
by TheAnchoress of The Anchoress.

“Somebody (Chris Matthews) Owes Dick Cheney An Apology (Big Time)” by Lorie Byrd of Wizbang! (For a slightly amusing take, read “Is the New York Times being run by Karl Rove?” by Jay Tea of Wizbang!)

“November Surprise: NYT Will Lead With Major Story About Iraq And Nuke Research”
; and
“NYT Silliness: Admin Posted Catpured Iraqi Nuke Docs That Some IAEA Experts Fear Could Have Assisted Iran With Bomb” by Ace of the Ace of Spades HQ.

“Suddenly, the New York Times is worried about dangerous disclosures” by Michelle Malkin of Michelle Malkin. (See also her post: “Hoekstra responds to NYTimes”.)

“A Real October Surprise”; and
“Then and Now” by Slublog of Slublog.

“Saddam Closer To Bomb Than Anyone Thought” by Oak Leaf of Stop The ACLU.

“SURPRISE!!!: New York Times Planning Election Eve Iraq WMD Story” by Greg Tinti of The Political Pit Bull.

“U.S. Web Archive Is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Primer” by TruePress.

“The Times Has Done It Again” by Giacomo of Joust The Facts.

“New York Times Reveals Saddam Hussein’s Iraq Had Nuclear Weapons Plans”; and
“New York Times Goes Nuclear” by Gina Cobb of GINA COBB.

New York Times admits to WMD in Iraq!” by USAdave of American Geek.

“Unintended consequences” by Tom Bowler of Libertarian Leanings.

“A Pinch Of A Mobius Loop” by Ed Driscoll of Ed Driscoll.com.

“Mixed Emotions” by Decision ’08.

“New York Times Confirms: Documents Reveal Saddam Was Developing Nukes As Late as 2001” by Becki Snow of The Question Fairy.

“Is the NY Times about to score an own goal with claims Saddam had a nuclear weapons program?” by Karl of Leaning Straight Up.

“NYT ~ Saddam’s Scientists On Verge Of Building Atom Bomb in 2002” by Wild Thing of PC Free Zone.

“Saddam “on the Verge” of Getting a Nuke in 2002” by Sean Hackbarth of The American Mind.

A post by Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit.

“New York Times unleashes Al-Qaqaa II: shoots self in foot” by directorblue of Doug Ross @ Journal.

“NYT: Saddam Was a Year Away from Building A-Bomb!” by Gateway Pundit.

“Iraq and WMD verified by the New York Times” by Betsy of Betsy’s Page.

“NYT: Saddam Was a Year Away From Atomic Bomb” by Bluto of The Dread Pundit Bluto.

“The Grey Lady Discovers Saddam Had Nuclear Aspirations” by Curt of Flopping Aces.

“The mask slips, vol. 2: Iraq’s nuclear weapons program, according to the Gray Lady” by TigerHawk of TigerHawk.

Also of interest would be this page by jveritas which contains links to translations of documents found in Iraq.

And for the record, I do not buy this argument that publishing these documents online has in any way helped Iran or any other entity. The problem is not getting information: it is all out there; the problem is knowing where to look. Whether these were published online or not, Iran would have no trouble whatsoever obtaining whatever information (or even materiel) it needs or wants.



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  2. dicentra said,

    Wow. What in Sam Hill is up with the previous comment?

    Anyway, Musli, the thing is that the Left

    a) does not give a tinker’s dam what the real meaning of the word “lie” is. “Bush Lied, People Died” makes a nifty bumperstiker and protest slogan. “Bush Might Have Equivocated, Rendering His Strongest Argument for Invading Iraq Moot” isn’t terse enough, nor is it damning enough.

    (As you said, “We even impeached a president recently because he lied.” There’s the smoking gun: we got their guy for lying, so they’re going to get our guy on anything that might have a semblance of falsehood. Tit for tat. Truth isn’t an issue.)

    b) will not ever, ever support the Iraq war. Even if we were to uncover a stadium full of fully armed nukes in Baghdad, they would find another reason to condemn Bush the war. There is no way to persuade them with facts because their own arguments are not based on facts. They’re based on emotions, and their strongest emotion is loathing of Bush.

    It galls me no end how many lies are told and believed in this world. Would that we could invoke that little kid’s wish in Liar, Liar and force the entire world to tell the truth.

    I’d pay to see that. I’d give my house, my car, and every last one of my worldly possessions, plus a kidney, a lung lobe, a chunk of my liver, a bag of bone marrow, and a quart of blood, to see it.

  3. Leftist opponents: understanding them « Muslihoon said,

    […] I would like to draw my readers’ attention to a comment left by dicentra (of Dicentra’s Garden) to my post about claims people make regarding Bush and the veracity of his claims. dicentra said: Wow. What in Sam Hill is up with the previous comment? […]

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